Sociologist Mohamed Tozy, from the IEP in Aix-en-Provence, and historian Hamit Bozarslan, from the EHESS, are also political scientists. Speaking to Murtada Calamy, they analyse the changes underway in the way the state is imagined and practised around the world, from Brazil to Russia, via Morocco.

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